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Entropy21 |
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I am new to the forum and want to start off by saying Hello to everyone. I am a devout through and through Modest Mouse fan. I went all over the country this
past tour and had the best time. Naturally, I am a Built to Spill fan as well. Built to Spill, in my opinion, is hands down musically more gifted than MM. This
doesnt mean I like them more, but their music is so beautiful and Dougs voice and guitar abilities are off the charts. Isaac is a genius songwriter and very
creative, but he only wishes he cold tear it up like Doug on the fretboard. I am looking for ANY information on how Doug gets those WARBLING sound effects on
his guitar. Not his wah pedal and $#$+, but the sounds that are like your being shot off into space. Someone must know what Im talking about. You in Reverse
has many of these sounds. I have also seen videos of a big black box on a chair next to Doug when he plays. Is this a rotary speaker that makes all of those
sounds for him? Any info would be great. Thank you and keep thinking, Entropy
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davenoid |
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Echoplex
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I find very little info on the Maestro Echoplex. Is this the thing that gets all of those warbly sounds? Any idea how it works? It looks as if its an old,
analog tape loop. Any more info? Greatly appreciated.
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Does he twist those knobs after he hits a note to get that sound? How does he hit chords and what not and twist knobs at the same time.
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mark in portland |
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Try this:
http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2004/june/text/content4.html Essentially, it's a loop of tape that you can record on and then freak out in various ways. Can't speak to the exact nature of the knob twisting vs. note playing schedule, but I'm guessing the interplay varies based on a number of parameters including but not limited to the depths of space needing to be reached, the inherent far-out-ness of the sonic equilibrium in its rest state, and whether or not the people in the front row look scared. I wanted one of these pretty bad once, and Old Town Music in Portland had a couple of units of different vintages... but I wound up spending less than half the money on the green Line 6 delay thing, which does a lot more, but doesn't make the audiophiles as happy. Doug did the smart thing... and got both. |
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Thank you for your post. I am going to look into your link a bit more, but I hope I can find more info on this. It looks like something Im compeltey unfamiliar
with. If you were to have any more information, I would really appreciate that. Do you know of any videos of this thing in action? Im a visual person.
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Thank you much for your help. That thing is +!+!#*# crazy.
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yeah, essentially this thing is a vintage delay. The idea is that it just repeats whatever he plays. There's a slider on the top of the unit that is the
amount of time between repeats. There's also a knob that affects how many times it will repeat. If you turn this knob up high enough it will self oscillate
and create what is best described as space ship type sounds. when this happens it really doesn't have as much to do with the notes being played on the
guitar, it's mostly just the sounds that the echoplex is creating itself. it's kind of hard to explain but if you enjoy effects this is one you really
must try. lots of digital pedals try to emulate it but end up sounding "synthetically vintage". Even with the echoes off it really does some nice
things to color the tone of your guitar signal. I believe doug uses a solid state version (Maestro Echoplex EP-3 or EP-4).
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Entropy21 |
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Thanks for all the info dwickham. Are these things expensive and hard to keep in shape? It looks as if it were to break, Id be screwed. Where to get one?
Thanks so much in advance. Every little thing is worth it.
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I got mine for about $550 on ebay after shipping. It is an EP-3 which is the first version of the solid state (non-tube) Echoplex. The EP-1 and EP-2 (both tube
versions) will be quite a bit more expensive and harder to find. There's also an EP-4 that came after the EP-3. It's solid state but adds a few
features like an input level LED meter and tone controls. I was lucky because mine was in great shape and came with the footswitch and maintenance manual. I
did order 3 new tape cartridges and that was around 100 dollars for all 3. I actually ordered them from Mike Battle who if you can believe it is the man who
actually invented the Echoplex all those years ago. I think he must be very very old now and it took about 3 months to actually receive the tapes. I do think
that it takes a fair amount of knowledge and time to keep them maintained. I bought a demagnetizer to periodically demag the tape heads. They can be pretty
finicky, for instance, I get different results based on whether I have the original tape or the new replacement tape installed. I'm not sure why but the
knobs need to be adjusted based on which tape is installed. I think it may have to do with the differing Bias of the tapes. It's actually kind of
frustrating. If anyone knows more about this please let me know.
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I just got back from their show in SLC. I just thought I'd post a few quick notes while their still fresh in my mind. Doug seems to have a bit of a
different setup than I've seen before. He isn't using a wah expression pedal anymore (I've seen him in the past with a Buddha Wah). Nor did he have
the echoplex with him.
He had 2 homemade pedals. One had 5 knobs and a green LED. The other had 3 knobs and red LED. I'm not sure what either of them were but at least one must've been an overdrive/distortion. It seems like I'd read an interview in the past that told that Jim Roth makes the pedals for the guys in the band but I didn't notice Jim having any homemade pedals in his gigantic array. (He must've had about 20 pedals in total) Brett Netson had a few homemade pedals too but they were smaller and different from the ones doug had. Doug was using an electro-harmonix 16 second digital delay but he seemed to be using it very sparingly. just some very short delays and certainly no knob twisting or freak-outs as he has done with the echoplex in the past. He had a Morley A-B switch that toggled his amps. I think his blackface is something like a 65 Bassman and his other amp was what looked like a twin cabinet but with some custom single channel chassis with no markings. I kind of guessed that it's comparable to the vibrato channel of a twin but I really have no idea. I don't think I ever heard him play it clean and sparkly (as a twin would be) because he usually had at least 1 if not both of the homemade drive pedals engaged when he would switch to that amp. Brett had a rack mountable effect of some sort on a chair. I was surprised to see it as it seemed very new-school and was probably digital. I wasn't close enough to either Jim or Brett to get too much more info on what they had going on. Oh and of note, Doug played the whole show with his trusty red "Ben" strat. I had never noticed that the 2 tone knobs and pickup selector have been removed from this guitar leaving just empty holes in those places. I didn't see the black "anti-W" Tele this time. Jim played his black tele and may have pulled out a blonde strat for a song or two. Brett played a "corporatists" strat that had both the neck and middle pickups removed and a gibson style humbucker in the bridge position. His old "Kill the rich" strat was on stage but I don't recall him picking it up for sure. Brett was playing through a 64 blackface Bassman (the transitional year that had the black control panel with white knobs) as well a his homemade amp (who knows what that thing is?). Jim played through a blackface Super Reverb with a smaller extension cabinet with casters tipped on it's side (I think it may have been a tweed).
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re: doug's guitar. are you sure about the tone knobs and pickup selectors being completely removed? or is it just the plastic coverings? about 6 or 7 years
ago (last time i stood close enough to see) the plastic coverings were just removed.
so how many pedals does he play with now total? the two custom and the delay? the line-6 and dan electro overdrive (and wah) are history? brett had some rack effect thing on the 2001 tour also when he opened just doing solo stuff. |
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Are you serious? That blows. I wanted to see some echoplex freakouts. Those are the coolest sounds... damit That's one of my favorite things about BTS...
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Entropy21 |
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So, he only uses one delay now, the elctroharmonix, and 2 homeade pedals?
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yeah, he only had the 2 home-made pedals and the EH-delay. And of course the line switcher for his amps. It sounds like the shows since my post have been
better. I'm a little jealous. Oh and yes I'm pretty sure the pots and pickup selector were completely gone from doug's guitar. i was about 3 feet
from him and could see the holes. he still had all 3 pickup covers but I have no idea which ones were actually wired up.
Brett's guitar definitely only had the 1 bridge pickup in it. You could see right through the middle and neck pickup holes of his guitar into the cavity of the body. I think his volume pot had a knob but the 2 TONE pots didn't have knobs like you're talking about. |
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huh. how about that. thanks.
he (doug) probably just has the neck pickup wired unless this just happened for this tour |
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Entropy21 |
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What would be the purpose of removing the pickups and knobs out of the guitar...
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dwickham |
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I guess theoretically having those other pickups could create some magnetic pull on the strings and thusly affect the sound slightly. The knobs could be
removed to avoid accidentally bumping them. But, I'm betting the guys in BTS have modded their instruments in this way just because they think it's a
cool thing to do. It sounds really superficial to say it this way but I think that's basically what it boils down to. It's the subtleties that the
average person wouldn't recognize but is fun to talk about when engaged in conversations regarding guitar geekery.
Mind you, this is purely my own opinion. I'd be interested in hearing what other people's takes are. |
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Another thing that I thought was kind of interesting is that Doug and Brett have both been playing Fender Strats this tour. While these guitars look similar,
their sonic characteristics are probably very very different. Doug is likely playing the neck position with Fender a single-coil pickup and a rosewood
fretboard. Brett is playing the bridge position (generally more treble than the neck position) with a custom Gibson-style humbucker pickup (hotter output than
single-coils) and a maple fretboard (brighter sound than rosewood).
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doug was playing with lace sensor pickups awhile ago also, which come in a wide tonal spectrum. i've even chatted with him after a few shows but have just
never asked him about all of this.
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